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Title: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on January 05, 2007, 11:41 PM
Hope nobody minds if I sticky this again..

What Is Furry?

Well now, There's a difficult and hotly debated question, indeed! And the answer varies widely, furry to furry. That's why at Furrie Haven, we accept any and all definitions of "furry" as all one big, furry phenomenon, as a way of unifying and getting rid of a lot of the bickering over "the" definition of furry that goes on. Here, we'll look at the different definitions of furry, as I see them anyway. And I'm no expert, I might add, so be kind. And we'll look at how they affect each other.

The Furry Fandom:

The fandom was started in the late 1970s by people who just simply had a love of furry characters (not necessarily That kind) and wanted to come together to discuss and enjoy them among friends. It can be likened to the Star Trek fandom or similar. Some of the fandom furs had hopes of elevating the status of the furry animal character in modern society to something that could be widely enjoyed and appreciated by adults as well as children, instead of being thought of as something purile and merely for the entertainment of children. They hoped to bring a realness and sophistication to the world of the anthropomorph. (I totally agree with them. it often irks me that there are close to no furry animated films or stories made that adults can truely enjoy, nor much respect for the worlds of animals themselves, to say nothing of anthropomorphic characters. ) There was sex to it as well, but only in the same proportion as reflected by society in general, as part of the realism of the furry characters. But this would soon change.

Yiffy Furs:

Well, humans like sex. Animals like sex. Why wouldn't furry animal characters like sex, right? No arguement here. but some time shortly after the fandom was established, Yiff, (or furry sex, as if you didn't know!) started to become a very prominant part of the fandom. In fact, some furs began to care about nothing else other than yiff, turning it into a sex-based fandom, or destroying the fandom altogether in the eyes of some furs, who remain very bitter about it to this day, some of which began to call themselves "burned furs" and distance themselves from the fandom. This is the beginning of a deep seeded dissonance in furry which, unfortunately still exists today. Of course the disproportionate intrest in yiff was a huge turn-off to mainstream society, and any hope of the fandom revolutionizing the image of the furry animal character in popular culture as something more universal was all but lost.

Lifestyle:

For some yiffy furs, furry has become a way of life, similar perhaps in some ways to the S&M lifestyle I suppose, but more cuddly. Do you own a fursuit? Do you like to have "fursuiter sex"? Are you a pet? Like to skritch with friends or jump in a big furpile together? Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with this highly social aspect of furry to comment on it in any detail. I still hope to get my first fursuit. A downside of this aspect of furry seems to be that some harmful views on sexual behavior are accepted, such as pedophilia for example. This can be quite a murky topic and another cause for furry in-fighting. My rule about what's sexually acceptable is simply whether or not it truely harms anyone. Scat for example, I find disgusting, but it doesn't really harm anyone so I can't rightfully see being against it. In all, I think acceptance of harmless sexual diversity is a good and natural thing. Animals have no sexual inhibitions, afterall. They feel whatever they feel and basically, it's all good. As I see it, there's no reason for humans to feel any differently about it. and with our big, complicated (if underused) brains, we can dream of the most beautiful, strange and exotic dreams. We humans have created such an incredible Diversity in all things. Think of the different varieties of food that exist! You could eat a different dish every evening for a year! Or the music, or styles of clothing, or even language. I see no reason at all to stifle harmless sexual diversity, but others may disagree, and they have every right as long as they dont try to impress their tastes or distastes onto others. This really is a very murky part of furriness, isn't it folks? It should be mentioned also, that not all furs who enjoy fursuits, skritching, and the like are necessarily yiffy furs. Some simply enjoy furry-living in a more general sense. Wearing a fursuit can simply be fun, or it can be a good way of getting in touch with your inner animal fursona.

Performance/Arts:

 Furs are generally real do-it-yourselfers when it comes to anthropomorphic subject matter. You kind of have to be when the mainstream view of morphica is that it's basically for children, and kind of a guilty pleasure/childhood nostalgia trip for grown-ups at best. The vast majority of furs engage in some kind of creative furry endeavor, from drawing to writing morphic literature, to puppetry, performing in fursuit, constructing fursuits or puppets, creating animation, plays, comics, games, creating furry themed music, even role playing, simply for fun, or perhaps because there's a lack of both diversity and complexity in mainstream morphic literature, as most of it is directed at children.

Yes, I think it's safe to say that many furs would take issue with the concensus that the world of the anthropomorph "can't" or "shouldn't" embrace sophisticated, advanced, or otherwise "adult oriented" themes and subjects, and further, may resent the implication that an intrest in anthropomorphica entails a lack of maturity on the part of the average furry fan. This would also explain why most furs tend to generate their own furry subject matter in whatever form or forms, filling a rift created by the rather one-sided view toward anthropomorphica generally adopted by mainstream society.

Introducing a complex sense of detail and "reality" to an anthropomorphic universe becomes a very intresting thing to do when you look at how involved it can become. Morphic literally means "animals (or inanimate objects) given human attributes" so therefore the term can sometimes be a little ill-fitting when you start to get into the concept of allotting furry creatures with their own reality, their own sense of reason and culture, obviously unique to themselves, and not just based on human culture. That can be a very intresting avenue of speculation and lead to some wonderful themes and concepts, the idea of any species of animal, or many species together or individually, evolving their own cultures and customs based on the attributes of the animal being "morphized". Well, suffice to say it can all get very complex and intresting and definitely go over the heads of most children. Now if only Dreamworks or Disney would get on the ball... *pouts* Maybe some day.  

But regardless of what mainstream society's attitudes are towards animal characters, furs will probably always be a wildly creative bunch, never afraid to take matters into their own paws and make something of their own for their fellows to enjoy.

Aesthetic:

(late addition. I'll get to it...eventually...I hope.)

Identity:

So, what's your fursona? Maybe you're a wolf. Or a feline. Maybe a skunk, or a dinosaur, or a falcon, iguana, dolphin, aardvark, echidna, or any other animal type that speaks to you or you identify with. Identity is a very complicated aspect of furry. Some furs simply adopt a fursona for fun and to roleplay, some feel that a certain animal describes their own personality, some have a spiritual connection to their animal type, and some believe they were born with the spirit of an animal. There are a lot of reasons why furs might feel a connection to, and even exhibit characteristics of an animal type which they feel close to, from the idea of spirit and birth totems, which we'll discuss later, to an individual's psychosexual development, or social reasons as well. A small child's psychosexual development is the time in which the sexual identity forms which they will exhibit later in life. If this rather delicate process is disturbed in some way, it's possible to "imprint" on something sexually. For example, sometimes, especially male children will sort of m**tur**t without being aware of what they're doing. Their parent may see this and spank them for it, and this association may lead them to have a spanking fetish in their adult life. So this imprinting is a possible reason for one to identify sexually with animal characters. Also, small children do all their really fundamental social learning in the first six years or so of life. If a child remains in a socially bereft environment during this part of life, they may begin to imprint socially on furry characters seen in cartoons as well, or to imprint on a familiar household pet, taking on it's characteristics. Finding one's self unable to integrate into the blinding and ever changing complexities of human society is another factor. The previous things mentioned can already get in the way of a child being able to "fit in", and unfortunately, humans have an unpleasant habit of attacking anything they see as strange, which can make it all much worse for a young person already having problems. This rejection and even hostility from one's would-be peers can cause a lack of any ability to relate to humans, or to even see one's self as human. Humans dont make it easy. Sometimes I worry that with all the obsession with the amorphous slang phrases, fashions, pop culture topics and myriad other kalidoscopic driftings which comprise our modern culture, we may be taking up so much brainspace just interacting socially and "staying current", that there's little room for anything else. So the society we live in guides our evolutionary path now instead of nature? The human evolutionary specializations are intelligence, and the ability to manipulate objects, or build and create. Does our society value these things more or less than social mores, whatever they may be from one month to the next. I see it as no wonder that, being rejected from society, many furs would in turn reject society and turn to the constancy of nature, at least to some degree, in some form or other. Then there's the phenomenon known as inherited memory. Many people believe in reincarnation, or the experience of having lived past lives. It's a major part of Buddhist belief, for example. I believe this is evidence which may back up the theory of inhereted memory. Scientists believe that it may be possible that we can "remember" experiences of our ancestors on some level as well as our own experiences. This would support these common experiences of having lived past lives. Instinct in fact, is tied closely to memory, and if that's the case, it's not really such a stretch that we may be able to recall things from our ancestral past in some form or other. Back into the past times when man lived closely with animals and held much greater respect for them than today, sometimes even seeing them as equals, or even as far back as before we ourselves were human. Of course, humans didn't evolve from wolves or felines, but they did evolve from early, raccoon-like mammals, reptiles, fish, on back billions of years. Every creature is born with instincts honed by the evolutionary path tread by their ancestors, which basically boils down to inhereted memory. Sometimes personality traits can even seemingly be inherited from our parents. How often have you heard something like "He's got his father's hot temper."? So it's no wonder if some of us may feel a closeness to animals. We really aren't so different from them as all that anyway. In fact, we share our evolutionary ancestry with them. But that's just a theory and shouldn't be taken as fact or anything. I just find it an intresting avenue of speculation.

Spirituality:

The vast majority of the old, so-called pagan religions displayed a deep respect for nature and for animals and animal spirits. In fact, many of them worshipped some anthropomorphic deities or told stories involving anthropomorphic figures. The ancient Egyptians believed that, in death, the spirit could transform at will into the form of any animal. Some of these religions saw no difference between animals and humans, and literally called them brother. And seeing animals as equals to humans, they believed that animals, and nature itself by extension, has a great deal of wisdom to share with us. Even today, animal characters still bring wisdom to children in the diluted form of edjucational programming and books. Perhaps this is the last vestige in our culture of the reverence for the wisdom of animals which once existed. Virtually all Native American peoples share the tradition of birth totems and spirit totems, or animal spirits which guide us on our lifepath. If you feel a closeness to any particular animal, it may be your animal spirit totem calling to you. You may discover that an animal you seem to have a natural affinity for is actually one of your birth totems, or perhaps a certain animal seems to be there for you as a sign, or may visit you in dreams, giving you strength, helping you along on your lifepath. If so, then this may be your spirit totem. I think sometimes, some of us are in such need of strength to face the miseries of life, that we may walk so closely to our spirit helper as to become like them. Or perhaps, our need of strength and guidance is so great that the animal spirit may give to us a part of itself, equipping us to survive.

Culture:

Ancient tradition is rich with legends and stories of animals becoming human, humans becoming animals, animals that speak, humans speaking to animals, and beings who are part human and part animal. This is true in every part of the world. "Furry", for lack of a better word, has been with us since the dawn of recorded history, spanning every aspect of life, from the spiritual to the sexual, and every point in between. Everyone on the face of the earth can think of an animal or animal character that means something deeply signifigant to them if they think about it. Why is this? When we lived closer to nature in the past, we shared our world with animals, and now, even though we have unfortunately distanced ourselves from nature, and in many cases foolishly don't even respect it any more, we seem to surround ourselves with animal characters, mascots, cartoons, and we keep pets to keep us company. It's almost as if we miss our connection to the worlds of animals, or that we keep it alive in some small way through these things. We create and we tell old stories about animals to our children, but do we really think about why? Is it simply because children love animal characters? Why is that? Is it really true that we dont love them as well, but in their childish package, we must reject them in the name of "growing up"? Or is it that we have made these things into something childish, just as we have taken the old, pagan customs of Easter and Halloween and turned them into games for children? Perhaps there is great good in the worlds of animals that has been lost, and is crying out to be reclaimed.

This is sort of an ongoing work, so If you have anything to add or feel anything is missing from this overview, feel free to suggest.
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: JTigerclaw on January 11, 2007, 12:36 AM
That was a very insightful and well written passage, Grey. It covered some of the more cultural and spiritual aspects of furry that I am more unfamiliar with, and I found it all very interesting. It's a shame that nobody comments or adds on to great passages like this. I mean, yes I'll admit, I just now read it after a month of being too lazy to read through all of that, but it was very enlightening. :nodnodnod:

Guess I'll throw in my 2 cents on it.

It is true that there is no one true definition of furry and that everyfur has a different interpretation. There are some who are so "furry" that they consider themselves to have a part of that animal dwelling inside them, a wild animal spirit yearning to escape its human shell and roam free, and yet others just like looking at anthropomorphic art. The range for what is considered furry is a very vast one. Some folks consider themselves furry because they liked Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles growing up, while some may be absolutely enthralled by lions, with posters all over their walls, collectable figurines and every episode of "Wild Discovery" on DVD, but still say they are not furry, that instead they just love lions. Are they furry because they love lions so much? Is there an inner furry fan waiting to discover the further riches of the fandom? Maybe, but maybe not. It depends on what the person's definition of furry is. One who loves animals and animal influenced movies, cartoons, etc may enjoy furry and just not be aware that it exists, or they may look at furry and prefer to say "I just love animals" and leave it at that. This is the beauty of furry. The definition, the qualifications, it's all up to the person in the mirror. No one can tell you for certain what is or isn't furry, because there is no one, true definition. It is up to the individual to decide it for themselves. And besides, it's just a term used to categorize a group of people with something in common. All it really does is group all the different types and kinds of furs into a nice, neat little cluster, and because of this, the more extreme furs who are into more... unusual aspects of the fandom get noticed the most, and the whole group gets thought of that way by the average uninformed person, which is unfortunate. Just it is important to note that alot of furs are just as irritated by the over-the-top display of sexual or revolting behavior as the average, uninformed person, and that we do not like seeing the fandom constantly portrayed at its worst. While we are more open-minded as a whole, that does not mean we all condone having sex with animals or doing our business in a litter box. Furry, like religion for example, should not be judged by the actions of the most extreme members. It needs to be judged on a person by person (or fur) basis.

Furries are generally more open-minded and accepting of differences than the average person (not to say average people can't be accepting, but more based on the majority). As such we have adopted certain viewpoints and behaviors that seems to have more or less become a foundation of furry etiquette. [Now remember, this is not true in all cases, but I think it is true for most of the fandom.] Furries are a very affectionate bunch. Join any exclusively furry forum, and you are likely to be pounced and huggled into oblivion. We furries like to express ourselves playfully by letting our playful, affectionate side shine through and hopefully spread this happy, comfortable feeling onto others we meet. You know how hippies always ask "Where is the love, man?" and then go around hugging everyone? Well, in a way, furries are similar, not that we like to take hits of acid and trip out to Hendrix in our flower covered Voltswagen van (I mean honestly! You know we'd probably have a sexy vixen painted on the van instead ) but we generally believe that the world could use a healthy amount of brotherly love and an open mind. After all, a little bit of acceptance and kindness can go a long way! It is this belief that allows us to show our affection for other furs with playful pounces and snuggles and just be ourselves, without having to worry about what society thinks of it. In the same area as this, we can hug and nuzzle members of either sex without worrying about being a "queer". Just because we are extra friendly does not mean it has any sexual connotations with it.

And more about the topic of sexuality you will notice that there are quite a few, for lack of a better term, bisexual and homosexual furs out there. Now personally, I believe that those terms are just another example of societies tendency to think in black and white. Sexuality, like furry, is a scale. There are so many various degrees of sexual attraction that it is very hard to pin down just what everyone falls under. Does one have to find completely equal attraction in males and females to be classified as bisexual? Not really. Everyone is a little bit curious, and rather than stiffle these feelings and thoughts like society would want you to, we embrace them and open ourselves up to new experiences. It's part of being true to yourself and finding out who you really are. It is not unnatural to be attracted to (or to be able to find sexual gratification in) members of both sexes. Most importantly, it does not make you sick, twisted, perverted, or anything like that. Furs try not to look at things like that in predetermined notions of whether or not it is acceptable, but instead choose to ask ourselves, "is this what I am?" Self discovery is very important, sexually and otherwise, and with an open mind, we are free to explore and roam, to embrace difference and jump over the barriers placed on us by society. To be honest and open with ourselves, and to be open to others, and not judge them based on sexual preference, gender, a harmless fetish, or anything like that. Instead, we welcome them, give them huggles and skritches, and invite them to the furpile [not to be confused with orgy ] That is the furry way. ^_^
Title: This is a poem that I feel explains furry.
Post by: Shadlep on January 11, 2007, 03:53 PM
Furry
A poem by Croc O'Dile of TigerMUCK which captures a bit of what it is to be furry.


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If the true meaning of furry you wish to understand
You must think in terms of paw and not hand
You must release your mentality from society's cage
For furry prefurs no race, sex, persuasion or age

You must sort through the hype and the exploitation
Because to be furry needs no justification
It is to reach out and embrace the unknown
To be surrounded by friends and yet still be alone

It is not a gimmick or a political movement
It's nothing so pretentious as a method of improvement
It's only to seek solace in the presence of friends
For when one is furry, the search never ends

It is sometimes to be controlled by one's emotions
It is to often be unsure of depths of devotion
It is the sweet pain of impossible dreams
It is never quite as close or as far as it seems

It is feelings being known without words being spoken
It is the inevitable occasional heart being broken
It is the type of love that now seems cliche
It's experience gained from having learned the hard way

It's a smurgle, a fuzzle, a rumble or purr
It's scales and whiskers and tails and fur
It's what we are, not outside but within
It's the binding force that makes us all kin

It's a howl in greeting to friends held dear
It's a bristling growl when confronted by fear
It's a friendly lick or scritch to show that we care
It's a deep understanding, a compassion that's rare

If what it is to be furry you still don't comprehend
Then consider this advice, my curious friend
If you're willing to respect that which you don't understand
Then come take my paw and I'll take your hand.

-- Croc O'Dile w/help from Tony DeMatio - 6/95
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Lolindir Fox on January 12, 2007, 02:27 PM
Here is a song about furries.. (right mouse click and "save target as" to download it) http://us.share.geocities.com/dlkin911_99/Kwo0ky_Womble_Im_Furry.mp3

(i'm not sure if it will play just by clicking the link but as I said you can rigt mouse click on the link and "save targes as"

and here are the lyrics to it.

Boo!
Ah G'day G'day G'day. It's Kwooky Womble. Comin' to you from the Neptune Room.
I've written a bit of a song about furries, set it in a Reggae/Hiphop style.
Interesting, because Reggae was responsible for Hiphop in the first place.

Big ups to Atpaw and Dutch and Zexyz and all the people in channel fursuit.
Now I've written this song to be slow enough for anyone to dance to no matter what sort of fat bastard you are. So get up out of your chair and prepare to dance.

One, two, three, bring the beats on.

All around the world among the people in the street
Are a group of folks who're marching to a different beat
Now we aren't about to squick you and get all heavy-handed
But the furries have landed.
Now there's a lot of different furries and I have to respect that.
There's straights and queers, but you might have expected that.
But there's no one thing with which to unite us.
Aside from the critters, but that's pretty obvious.
And by critters of course, i mean the animal kingdom.
Not just the furry ones, but the scaly ones with 'em.
As well as the arthropods, fishes and birds.
But mainly it's the furry ones, so they get the word.
In long form we call it anthropomorphics.
Its such a lengthy word the ones who use it need their jaws fixed.
So it's a furry for short, you might have known.
Join the chorus while we keep the chant going.

I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry.

Now, if you listen properly, you will have realized (hooray)
That I'm not a furry person from the U S of A
If you need more information I can lend you a hand,
Kwooky Womble is a furry from the great southern land.
Now there's furries in America, there's furries in the EU.
There's furries in Australia and New Zealand too.
There's furries all around the world I think it's safe to say.
Planet Earth is furry populated all the way.
On the Internet we gather from the soil of all nations.
All the races, both the genders, and a range of situations.
From the rich to the poor, all the furries are we.
Whether artists or musicians or strictly RP.
Now to help with the furry jargon, here's a quick education.
RP is role-playing in a fake situation.
RL: is real life, IC is in character
Got that? Good. Later on it might matter.
Now out of all the furry words, there is one that stands out.
That word is yiff, and I'll explain what it's all about.
Or maybe i won't, because I'll move right along,
Cause you can't define yiff in a PG-rated song.
But you can define scritch, it's like a scratching only nice.
And furries get a lot of scritching done in their lives.
That's about the quota for the second verse done.
Back to the chant and turn up the fun.

I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry.
I'm not a Furby.

To make a furry's easy, anyone can do it.
You take your favourite animal and mix a human through it.
You modify the product, is it real or cartoony?
Is it 2 legs or 4? Is it straight, is it loony?
Does it have a pair of wings sprouting out of its back,
Does it have an extra set of legs that other furs lack?
Can it talk or does it speak with psychic communication?
Is it you? Is it not? Is it just speculation?
Once you have your fursona all sorted out,
You can take a walk and see what we are all about
Some of us have gone and made costume for effect,
But that's a different story, fursuiting on the left.
And to the right we have the artists, who are numerous in style,
Any way you like it, they can draw it with a smile.
But keep in mind in the mix is every sort of thing,
And not all of it is for children which can be a bit of a sting
Experimentation is the order of the day.
Imagination keeps our mind at play.
Now the next verse is long, so I'm going to abort,
And start the chant early to keep the third one short.

I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furry. I'm furrrry.

Up to the down side, and man, it's a big one.
There's a bunch of people got the furry nation of the run
Misrepresentations are informing the planet.
The war against the furries has to stop now dammit
It's _Loaded_, and it's _Vanity Fair_, it's Eurotrash, and it's _Marie Claire_.
Sad computer geeks in furry costumes. Pet molesting weirdos and orgies in every room.
Look at the freaks. Come and see the parade.
These Characters are only for children! This is sad and depraved!
Pity some people can't stand tall on their feet,
without attacking folks who're marching to a different beat.
Me, I'm only here to have fun. Say what you will
the lies and propaganda make the decent furs ill.
The very small percentage of furverts aside,
most of us furries have nothing to hide.
At least we wouldn't if you didn't keep the lies up.
So many furries have to keep a disguise up.
There's nothing going on, but we're still living in fe-ar,
because they put the naughty possum furry on ER.
It's not a bad thing for the world to know of us
But just the weirdo stuff it's not fair part to show of us.
We don't mind curiosity, cause that's what we're about.
But the news crew from the BBC had better watch out.
One extra verse might undo a lot of damage
Furries have to deal in life with quite enough spammage
The science-fiction geeks are completely on our cases
and these are people walking around all lost in their spaces
The saddest of the saddest and the furries rate below them?
One day we'll drown them all in spooge, and that'll show them.
Tongue in cheek aside it would be best to respect us
because a lot of people take the other tack and reject us.
but honestly, I couldn't care what they think
That sort of stupid hatred makes the whole world stink.
I'd rather be a kook and use my imagination
And die a happy death instead of bitter stagnation
Well I've laid it on you furry style the good and the bad
the fun and games, and the problems we've had.
So sayonara people, now you know what were about,
Kwooky Womble on the microphone, over and out.
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on January 12, 2007, 10:08 PM
YEEEEESSS!!!!!! Awesomeness!! :D  :D
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Lolindir Fox on January 12, 2007, 10:23 PM
*smiles* I figured some furs might like that =^_^= it's REALLY a hard song to find!! but I'm glad I found it!!! and now have it to share with all of you
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Star on January 25, 2007, 10:11 AM
What is furry. That is a very good question. I don't believe there is a clear cut way of explaining it. Simply because there are so many aspects of being Furry. All of them right in my opinion.

So the only way to describe what furry is, is to describe it for yourself, as You see it For You. Not for someone else..for they will have a diffrent view.

At least, that is my opinion on it.
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Shadlep on January 25, 2007, 07:25 PM
Quote from: "Star"
What is furry. That is a very good question. I don't believe there is a clear cut way of explaining it. Simply because there are so many aspects of being Furry. All of them right in my opinion.

So the only way to describe what furry is, is to describe it for yourself, as You see it For You. Not for someone else..for they will have a diffrent view.

At least, that is my opinion on it.


  That really is true...

    It is like what does it mean to be a spiritualist..  Spirituality is as individualistic as being a furry is..

    For me.. I like costumes.. I am totally in for the costumes and conventions and gatherings. I like to make tails and ears and working my way up to paws and what not..

    I also like to draw.. just for fun.. and that is how I express being furry.. I am not into yiff.. or really anything sexual.. that is reserved for whom I am dating.. so I dont really go there as an expression of being furry..

       That is just me..
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Sibera on January 26, 2007, 02:41 AM
I like the spirituaism of the furry world. Costumes and the like. Its probably the best way to explain it is its individual like star said. But a basic example of it like what grey put up is good way of putting it.
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Lolindir Fox on January 26, 2007, 10:12 AM
So I guess there's different "classifications" of furrys... and their level of interest... i'm known as a "Live styler" I love living as my fursona, or different aspects of it, someitmes I just get an urge to play with my friends pets, I'll like get down low and creap up on them to pounce them, and it's just an every day thing, not really too special... I'll walk didgitigrade, or even greet freinds with friendly "yerfs!" i'll whimper like a hurt animal when i'm hurt... i'll purr, and during warm weather I'm known to go out just exploring or wandering the woods for hours at a time, and be in perfect piece...though I also live out my human life too.. I just like acting like my animal in my every day life.  So yea... a lot of it is how you personally take it and that a lot of the ways I explane it to friends who ask me what it means to be a furry....I don't have an exact answer for that, I just tell them how it relates to me
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Vee Darkwing on March 02, 2007, 08:40 PM
"im not a ferby" lol love it!
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: Lennon on May 17, 2007, 10:19 AM
For me, being part of the furry fandom is nothing more than a general sort of 'alter-ego'. There is absolutely no spirituality behind it for me, no desire to be a raven, and certainly no desire to dress up as one. In the same way that I consider religion to be okay so long as its not taken too seriously, I enjoy participating in the furry fandom, but without any sense of being 'deeply connected' to it.

Furry is strange. I really like it, but it is strange regardless. I've made good friends though the fur fandom, so I can't say that there is no social aspect through which it functions, and yet it amazes me how many people rush blindly into futureless, ill thought out relationships because of a tenuous link to the fuzz covering their imaginary bodies.

The sexual or "yiffy" aspect of the fandom is one I do enjoy, but quietly. I have no wish to parade around declaring left and right that I want sex, and if I am approached randomly and asked for it? Well... you know they say about ravens liking eyeballs. However, by the same token, I do not stand for these people who demand that all "yiff" be segregated from the rest of the the fandom. Having sexual desires is a normal part of human social behaviour, and to brand such actions as dirty is unhealthy for the general spirit of society.

Of course, these are just my personal opinions, and so I certainly do not expect anyone else to change their beliefs to fit mine.
Title: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on May 22, 2007, 03:02 PM
My Morphicon experiences have prompted me to add another section to "What is Furry?" See Performance/Arts: above.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: SXTC on October 28, 2007, 07:50 AM
For me, being part of the furry fandom is nothing more than a general sort of 'alter-ego'. There is absolutely no spirituality behind it for me, no desire to be a raven, and certainly no desire to dress up as one. In the same way that I consider religion to be okay so long as its not taken too seriously, I enjoy participating in the furry fandom, but without any sense of being 'deeply connected' to it.

Yes in a way I closely believe the same although the only diffirence in what I believe is that I believe our fursona to be the same person we allready are, just another way to picture your personality.
I believe that our fursona is our "loose" side (confident) of our personality without the borders, without having to fear another's reaction.
Its us for who we want to be and who we can be once we stop being scared and when we don't have to "lie" to our own family and parents knowing the possible unwanted reactions. The people around us are basicly the reason for me why a fur like myself can only fully act as one online and only in real life when I'm no longer surrounded by "ignorance".
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Dingo Paige on November 03, 2007, 07:20 AM
For me, being part of the furry fandom is nothing more than a general sort of 'alter-ego'. There is absolutely no spirituality behind it for me, no desire to be a raven, and certainly no desire to dress up as one. In the same way that I consider religion to be okay so long as its not taken too seriously, I enjoy participating in the furry fandom, but without any sense of being 'deeply connected' to it.
Well said. I'd be on a similar point-of-view as yourself. I'd be what could be described as a "Fur-Sympathyser" :)
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on November 18, 2007, 06:09 PM
I've been thinking this overview of furry could stand to be updated as my understanding of furry grows and evolves. Mostly the fandom/yiffy/lifestyle sections. Identity might use a little going over. Still need to work on aesthetic altogether.. Might add some things about the state of morphic literature in the late 60s/early 70s leading up to the creation of the fandom..
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: CampSoup1988 on October 09, 2008, 11:53 PM
Hope nobody minds if I sticky this again..

What Is Furry?

Well now, There's a difficult and hotly debated question, indeed! And the answer varies widely, furry to furry. That's why at Furrie Haven, we accept any and all definitions of "furry" as all one big, furry phenomenon, as a way of unifying and getting rid of a lot of the bickering over "the" definition of furry that goes on. Here, we'll look at the different definitions of furry, as I see them anyway. And I'm no expert, I might add, so be kind. And we'll look at how they affect each other.

The Furry Fandom:

The fandom was started in the late 1970s by people who just simply had a love of furry characters (not necessarily That kind) and wanted to come together to discuss and enjoy them among friends. It can be likened to the Star Trek fandom or similar. Some of the fandom furs had hopes of elevating the status of the furry animal character in modern society to something that could be widely enjoyed and appreciated by adults as well as children, instead of being thought of as something purile and merely for the entertainment of children. They hoped to bring a realness and sophistication to the world of the anthropomorph. (I totally agree with them. it often irks me that there are close to no furry animated films or stories made that adults can truely enjoy, nor much respect for the worlds of animals themselves, to say nothing of anthropomorphic characters. ) There was sex to it as well, but only in the same proportion as reflected by society in general, as part of the realism of the furry characters. But this would soon change.

Yiffy Furs:

Well, humans like sex. Animals like sex. Why wouldn't furry animal characters like sex, right? No arguement here. but some time shortly after the fandom was established, Yiff, (or furry sex, as if you didn't know!) started to become a very prominant part of the fandom. In fact, some furs began to care about nothing else other than yiff, turning it into a sex-based fandom, or destroying the fandom altogether in the eyes of some furs, who remain very bitter about it to this day, some of which began to call themselves "burned furs" and distance themselves from the fandom. This is the beginning of a deep seeded dissonance in furry which, unfortunately still exists today. Of course the disproportionate intrest in yiff was a huge turn-off to mainstream society, and any hope of the fandom revolutionizing the image of the furry animal character in popular culture as something more universal was all but lost.

Lifestyle:

For some yiffy furs, furry has become a way of life, similar perhaps in some ways to the S&M lifestyle I suppose, but more cuddly. Do you own a fursuit? Do you like to have "fursuiter sex"? Are you a pet? Like to skritch with friends or jump in a big furpile together? Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with this highly social aspect of furry to comment on it in any detail. I still hope to get my first fursuit. A downside of this aspect of furry seems to be that some harmful views on sexual behavior are accepted, such as pedophilia for example. This can be quite a murky topic and another cause for furry in-fighting. My rule about what's sexually acceptable is simply whether or not it truely harms anyone. Scat for example, I find disgusting, but it doesn't really harm anyone so I can't rightfully see being against it. In all, I think acceptance of harmless sexual diversity is a good and natural thing. Animals have no sexual inhibitions, afterall. They feel whatever they feel and basically, it's all good. As I see it, there's no reason for humans to feel any differently about it. and with our big, complicated (if underused) brains, we can dream of the most beautiful, strange and exotic dreams. We humans have created such an incredible Diversity in all things. Think of the different varieties of food that exist! You could eat a different dish every evening for a year! Or the music, or styles of clothing, or even language. I see no reason at all to stifle harmless sexual diversity, but others may disagree, and they have every right as long as they dont try to impress their tastes or distastes onto others. This really is a very murky part of furriness, isn't it folks? It should be mentioned also, that not all furs who enjoy fursuits, skritching, and the like are necessarily yiffy furs. Some simply enjoy furry-living in a more general sense. Wearing a fursuit can simply be fun, or it can be a good way of getting in touch with your inner animal fursona.

Performance/Arts:

 Furs are generally real do-it-yourselfers when it comes to anthropomorphic subject matter. You kind of have to be when the mainstream view of morphica is that it's basically for children, and kind of a guilty pleasure/childhood nostalgia trip for grown-ups at best. The vast majority of furs engage in some kind of creative furry endeavor, from drawing to writing morphic literature, to puppetry, performing in fursuit, constructing fursuits or puppets, creating animation, plays, comics, games, creating furry themed music, even role playing, simply for fun, or perhaps because there's a lack of both diversity and complexity in mainstream morphic literature, as most of it is directed at children.

Yes, I think it's safe to say that many furs would take issue with the concensus that the world of the anthropomorph "can't" or "shouldn't" embrace sophisticated, advanced, or otherwise "adult oriented" themes and subjects, and further, may resent the implication that an intrest in anthropomorphica entails a lack of maturity on the part of the average furry fan. This would also explain why most furs tend to generate their own furry subject matter in whatever form or forms, filling a rift created by the rather one-sided view toward anthropomorphica generally adopted by mainstream society.

Introducing a complex sense of detail and "reality" to an anthropomorphic universe becomes a very intresting thing to do when you look at how involved it can become. Morphic literally means "animals (or inanimate objects) given human attributes" so therefore the term can sometimes be a little ill-fitting when you start to get into the concept of allotting furry creatures with their own reality, their own sense of reason and culture, obviously unique to themselves, and not just based on human culture. That can be a very intresting avenue of speculation and lead to some wonderful themes and concepts, the idea of any species of animal, or many species together or individually, evolving their own cultures and customs based on the attributes of the animal being "morphized". Well, suffice to say it can all get very complex and intresting and definitely go over the heads of most children. Now if only Dreamworks or Disney would get on the ball... *pouts* Maybe some day. 

But regardless of what mainstream society's attitudes are towards animal characters, furs will probably always be a wildly creative bunch, never afraid to take matters into their own paws and make something of their own for their fellows to enjoy.

Aesthetic:

(late addition. I'll get to it...eventually...I hope.)

Identity:

So, what's your fursona? Maybe you're a wolf. Or a feline. Maybe a skunk, or a dinosaur, or a falcon, iguana, dolphin, aardvark, echidna, or any other animal type that speaks to you or you identify with. Identity is a very complicated aspect of furry. Some furs simply adopt a fursona for fun and to roleplay, some feel that a certain animal describes their own personality, some have a spiritual connection to their animal type, and some believe they were born with the spirit of an animal. There are a lot of reasons why furs might feel a connection to, and even exhibit characteristics of an animal type which they feel close to, from the idea of spirit and birth totems, which we'll discuss later, to an individual's psychosexual development, or social reasons as well. A small child's psychosexual development is the time in which the sexual identity forms which they will exhibit later in life. If this rather delicate process is disturbed in some way, it's possible to "imprint" on something sexually. For example, sometimes, especially male children will sort of m**tur**t without being aware of what they're doing. Their parent may see this and spank them for it, and this association may lead them to have a spanking fetish in their adult life. So this imprinting is a possible reason for one to identify sexually with animal characters. Also, small children do all their really fundamental social learning in the first six years or so of life. If a child remains in a socially bereft environment during this part of life, they may begin to imprint socially on furry characters seen in cartoons as well, or to imprint on a familiar household pet, taking on it's characteristics. Finding one's self unable to integrate into the blinding and ever changing complexities of human society is another factor. The previous things mentioned can already get in the way of a child being able to "fit in", and unfortunately, humans have an unpleasant habit of attacking anything they see as strange, which can make it all much worse for a young person already having problems. This rejection and even hostility from one's would-be peers can cause a lack of any ability to relate to humans, or to even see one's self as human. Humans dont make it easy. Sometimes I worry that with all the obsession with the amorphous slang phrases, fashions, pop culture topics and myriad other kalidoscopic driftings which comprise our modern culture, we may be taking up so much brainspace just interacting socially and "staying current", that there's little room for anything else. So the society we live in guides our evolutionary path now instead of nature? The human evolutionary specializations are intelligence, and the ability to manipulate objects, or build and create. Does our society value these things more or less than social mores, whatever they may be from one month to the next. I see it as no wonder that, being rejected from society, many furs would in turn reject society and turn to the constancy of nature, at least to some degree, in some form or other. Then there's the phenomenon known as inherited memory. Many people believe in reincarnation, or the experience of having lived past lives. It's a major part of Buddhist belief, for example. I believe this is evidence which may back up the theory of inhereted memory. Scientists believe that it may be possible that we can "remember" experiences of our ancestors on some level as well as our own experiences. This would support these common experiences of having lived past lives. Instinct in fact, is tied closely to memory, and if that's the case, it's not really such a stretch that we may be able to recall things from our ancestral past in some form or other. Back into the past times when man lived closely with animals and held much greater respect for them than today, sometimes even seeing them as equals, or even as far back as before we ourselves were human. Of course, humans didn't evolve from wolves or felines, but they did evolve from early, raccoon-like mammals, reptiles, fish, on back billions of years. Every creature is born with instincts honed by the evolutionary path tread by their ancestors, which basically boils down to inhereted memory. Sometimes personality traits can even seemingly be inherited from our parents. How often have you heard something like "He's got his father's hot temper."? So it's no wonder if some of us may feel a closeness to animals. We really aren't so different from them as all that anyway. In fact, we share our evolutionary ancestry with them. But that's just a theory and shouldn't be taken as fact or anything. I just find it an intresting avenue of speculation.

Spirituality:

The vast majority of the old, so-called pagan religions displayed a deep respect for nature and for animals and animal spirits. In fact, many of them worshipped some anthropomorphic deities or told stories involving anthropomorphic figures. The ancient Egyptians believed that, in death, the spirit could transform at will into the form of any animal. Some of these religions saw no difference between animals and humans, and literally called them brother. And seeing animals as equals to humans, they believed that animals, and nature itself by extension, has a great deal of wisdom to share with us. Even today, animal characters still bring wisdom to children in the diluted form of edjucational programming and books. Perhaps this is the last vestige in our culture of the reverence for the wisdom of animals which once existed. Virtually all Native American peoples share the tradition of birth totems and spirit totems, or animal spirits which guide us on our lifepath. If you feel a closeness to any particular animal, it may be your animal spirit totem calling to you. You may discover that an animal you seem to have a natural affinity for is actually one of your birth totems, or perhaps a certain animal seems to be there for you as a sign, or may visit you in dreams, giving you strength, helping you along on your lifepath. If so, then this may be your spirit totem. I think sometimes, some of us are in such need of strength to face the miseries of life, that we may walk so closely to our spirit helper as to become like them. Or perhaps, our need of strength and guidance is so great that the animal spirit may give to us a part of itself, equipping us to survive.

Culture:

Ancient tradition is rich with legends and stories of animals becoming human, humans becoming animals, animals that speak, humans speaking to animals, and beings who are part human and part animal. This is true in every part of the world. "Furry", for lack of a better word, has been with us since the dawn of recorded history, spanning every aspect of life, from the spiritual to the sexual, and every point in between. Everyone on the face of the earth can think of an animal or animal character that means something deeply signifigant to them if they think about it. Why is this? When we lived closer to nature in the past, we shared our world with animals, and now, even though we have unfortunately distanced ourselves from nature, and in many cases foolishly don't even respect it any more, we seem to surround ourselves with animal characters, mascots, cartoons, and we keep pets to keep us company. It's almost as if we miss our connection to the worlds of animals, or that we keep it alive in some small way through these things. We create and we tell old stories about animals to our children, but do we really think about why? Is it simply because children love animal characters? Why is that? Is it really true that we dont love them as well, but in their childish package, we must reject them in the name of "growing up"? Or is it that we have made these things into something childish, just as we have taken the old, pagan customs of Easter and Halloween and turned them into games for children? Perhaps there is great good in the worlds of animals that has been lost, and is crying out to be reclaimed.

This is sort of an ongoing work, so If you have anything to add or feel anything is missing from this overview, feel free to suggest.

As I said in my into thread:

I was sure if I wanted to join the forums, until I read GreyBrother's 'What is Furry' and wanted to complement him on how well it was written.  I often read those attempts at defining furry, which are often just thrown together, but GreyBrother really put effort into his explanations and did his research and kept it neutral!  (I do think he might have gotten a bit to detailed when he went into reincarnation and evolution (being around 2am local time might have helped me think that) but it was still interesting!
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on October 10, 2008, 06:34 AM
I'm glad you like. Honestly, I've been thinking about updating this thing for a while, now that I've been to a couple cons, and been an official fur for a while and gotten a deeper sense of the social side of things. Need to go into the conditions in the late 60s/early 70s regarding attitudes about animals and nature, spirituality, morphism and freedom of expression and sexuality which led up to furrydom too. I feel that's important because it gives grounding to the various established aspects of furrydom, and provides a bridge between ancient nature-based cultures and spiritualities and attitudes about morphism, and modern furrydom.

It's possible I did get too deep into the evolution-inherited memory thing, but I was basically attempting to cover every possible angle as to why a person may identify deeply with animals, and point out the kinship all humans share with animals.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Roo Fursworth on October 10, 2008, 07:16 AM
Furry isnt the same anymore.. its growing increasingly about the yiff/porn  and less about having fun in your own little world, hanging out and socalising with fellow furries.

it makes me sad :'(
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: JTigerclaw on October 10, 2008, 12:04 PM
Furry isnt the same anymore.. its growing increasingly about the yiff/porn  and less about having fun in your own little world, hanging out and socalising with fellow furries.

it makes me sad :'(

As it does all of us.

Anything inherently pure and good is a blank canvas ripe for corruption and distortion, especially when it involves many people with varying interests and morals.  I would have a hard time finding a case where this is not true.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Lloxie on October 10, 2008, 02:31 PM
....IF you view such things as corruption, that is... >>;

Admittedly, it doesn't help our public image, but I really don't care. If there's really nothing wrong with sexuality, why do we continue to treat it as a taboo subject? I do wish there was more of a balance, as a lot of the fandom HAS been a bit overwhelmed with it, but I'm happy there's lots of yiffy things out there now.

All I can say is, thank goodness for Fur Affinity.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: XinonHyena on October 10, 2008, 03:39 PM
As it does all of us.

Anything inherently pure and good is a blank canvas ripe for corruption and distortion, especially when it involves many people with varying interests and morals.  I would have a hard time finding a case where this is not true.

You are right and I agree.

I think that a big problem with our fandom is that it has no direct and general reference to something (outside furry animals, but as greywolf stated: the human's respect of animals has grown poor over time), and I think that is where the negativity comes from.

Otaku for example have hentai and yaoi and all that stuff, but since their fandom is directly based on existing japanese cartoons, people think of Hentai and yaoi as a parody.
(Sure, there are cartoons with anthropomorphic animals, but they are usually not as popular as anime and thereby go unnoticed.)

If you think about Gothic you think about Rock/metal, horror movies and people dressed in black. But there sure are quite a few members of that pop-culture who favor Necrophillia and burning things down and stuff. But since people relate to Gothic by the music and the clothing, they forget to look at the bad side.

I could go on for hours, because every pop-cult known to man has it's bad sides and good sides. But since a lot of those cultures have a common link to something like: music or clothing, they forget the sexual side. Which most of pop-cultures (if not all) do have.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: CampSoup1988 on October 10, 2008, 05:15 PM
I'm glad you like. Honestly, I've been thinking about updating this thing for a while, now that I've been to a couple cons, and been an official fur for a while and gotten a deeper sense of the social side of things. Need to go into the conditions in the late 60s/early 70s regarding attitudes about animals and nature, spirituality, morphism and freedom of expression and sexuality which led up to furrydom too. I feel that's important because it gives grounding to the various established aspects of furrydom, and provides a bridge between ancient nature-based cultures and spiritualities and attitudes about morphism, and modern furrydom.

It's possible I did get too deep into the evolution-inherited memory thing, but I was basically attempting to cover every possible angle as to why a person may identify deeply with animals, and point out the kinship all humans share with animals.

One thing I could plug in about the 70's which probably have some influence on the development of the fandom is all the hallucinogenic drugs of the time.

The primary reason the evolution/inherited memory section was too deep for me was that I was reading it approx 2am my time.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on October 10, 2008, 11:01 PM
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One thing I could plug in about the 70's which probably have some influence on the development of the fandom is all the hallucinogenic drugs of the time.

That's true too. Those drugs were once used in spiritual ceremonies by many ancient, nature-based cultures. There was no sense of corruption because they saw the merits of these drugs and respected them, and in the 60s, some people began to revisit these ideas regarding drugs and other things including sex for the very same reasons, but the mainstream culture saw it as a corruption, which for the most part, it gradually became, due largely to their own fearful influence.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: CampSoup1988 on October 11, 2008, 12:01 AM
That's true too. Those drugs were once used in spiritual ceremonies by many ancient, nature-based cultures. There was no sense of corruption because they saw the merits of these drugs and respected them, and in the 60s, some people began to revisit these ideas regarding drugs and other things including sex for the very same reasons, but the mainstream culture saw it as a corruption, which for the most part, it gradually became, due largely to their own fearful influence.

Also originally, it was used in controlled moderation whereas in in the 60's and 70's they went ramped and new more extreme versions of the drugs where devloped
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on October 11, 2008, 02:55 AM
Yes. It is a synergetic process. Some people will take anything to an excess, then others will see excess in everything and condemn it. So take free love. It was beautiful and had it's truth, but mainstream society saw it as a debauched excess. Perhaps to some who practiced free love it already was an excess, perhaps meaning 'love for free', rather than 'love unfettered'. Those excessive examples in free love provided mainstream society with ammunition to paint free love as the debauchery they saw it as from the start, causing some to rebel against that depiction by cleaving to the concept of free love further, and some to play at free love as a debauched excess in order to squick those who had a problem with it.

Amidst this environment, some heard of free love and came for the debauched excess they'd heard about, rather than for the freedom of love, pushing the perception of free love-as-excess further, giving the mainstream more ammunition for condemnation, and so on. It's how many beautiful things have been corrupted and destroyed.

Free love in the 60s was degenerated into hedonistic casual sex in the 70s, which was blamed for AIDS in the 80s. To condemn any particular aspect of furrydom outright is to allow the same to occur. Casual sex hasn't gone away, nor have those who would condemn all of us for daring to express our sexuality in any way outside the confines of heterosexual marriage. It should be obvious that extremist, immovable views simply do not work, but as yet we haven't learned this.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Roo Fursworth on October 11, 2008, 05:24 AM
....IF you view such things as corruption, that is... >>;

Admittedly, it doesn't help our public image, but I really don't care. If there's really nothing wrong with sexuality, why do we continue to treat it as a taboo subject? I do wish there was more of a balance, as a lot of the fandom HAS been a bit overwhelmed with it, but I'm happy there's lots of yiffy things out there now.

All I can say is, thank goodness for Fur Affinity.

yes the yiff is a big part of the fandom i will admit, but this part is getting bigger.. meh.. perhaps im old fashioned?
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Lloxie on October 11, 2008, 11:05 AM
Like I said, it does need to be balanced... but rather than getting angry at those responsible for the growing yiffy part of the fandom, maybe more people should try and make the other parts grow too. =P

Like try to resurrect true, good, not-necessarily-yiffy roleplaying things. Bring things like Furcadia back to their former glory, and all those MUCKs I used to hear a lot about. Get more people involved in group art projects or story projects, etc. If ya have a problem with one part of the fandom growing so much bigger than the rest, do something to grow a part ya like! =3
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: CampSoup1988 on October 11, 2008, 10:28 PM
Like try to resurrect true, good, not-necessarily-yiffy roleplaying things. Bring things like Furcadia back to their former glory, and all those MUCKs I used to hear a lot about. Get more people involved in group art projects or story projects, etc. If ya have a problem with one part of the fandom growing so much bigger than the rest, do something to grow a part ya like! =3

Well I think Furcadia has fallen to far to the 'Dark Side' (even though I could never find any of it when I used to play it a bit).  The next closest programs would be Second Life (which the fandom is already being corrupted and under attack by furry hating Griefers) or IMVU.  I dont think there will be much of a chance for MUCKs to be revived since most people will only play games with high graphic quality these days.  I tried joining FurryMUCK, but they require you to give them either a email address from a private or education server (such as email@college.edu or email@APlussHardware.com) to register, they will not take aol, hotmail, gmail, yahoo, bellsouth (which I dont think you could get a free email address from) or any other email server that you could join online, even a paid email address from any email server you could join online, like the ones mentioned above.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Shadowe on October 11, 2008, 11:09 PM
Quote from: Roo
...perhaps im old fashioned?...

Nah. You are just getting older Roo.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Lloxie on October 11, 2008, 11:30 PM
Well I think Furcadia has fallen to far to the 'Dark Side' (even though I could never find any of it when I used to play it a bit). 

Well don't complain if you're not willing to try and change it >>

The next closest programs would be Second Life (which the fandom is already being corrupted and under attack by furry hating Griefers) or IMVU. 

I wish there was a specifically furry-oriented thing like Second Life... heh, maybe one day I'll make a small one myself for just furs I know... that'd be cool. <^^>

I dont think there will be much of a chance for MUCKs to be revived since most people will only play games with high graphic quality these days.  I tried joining FurryMUCK, but they require you to give them either a email address from a private or education server (such as email@college.edu or email@APlussHardware.com) to register, they will not take aol, hotmail, gmail, yahoo, bellsouth (which I dont think you could get a free email address from) or any other email server that you could join online, even a paid email address from any email server you could join online, like the ones mentioned above.

Yeah that never made much sense to me. Just downright irritating. >< I think the IDEA of MUCKs could be revived though. If there's enough interest, willpower, and patience, you could set it up if you wanted to bad enough.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: CampSoup1988 on October 12, 2008, 02:32 AM
I wish there was a specifically furry-oriented thing like Second Life... heh, maybe one day I'll make a small one myself for just furs I know... that'd be cool. <^^>

Let me know if you need a programer, I could help with making the program (I think, Sec Life is a quite a complex program, and I think you would need a full team of professional programmers with a good size budget to rival Sec Life)
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on October 12, 2008, 02:39 AM
We're totally getting off topic in here..
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: CampSoup1988 on October 12, 2008, 02:06 PM
We're totally getting off topic in here..

Sorry.  Nya!
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Roo Fursworth on October 12, 2008, 02:57 PM
Nah. You are just getting older Roo.

oh noes! xD make it stop!
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Lloxie on October 12, 2008, 03:14 PM
Let me know if you need a programer, I could help with making the program (I think, Sec Life is a quite a complex program, and I think you would need a full team of professional programmers with a good size budget to rival Sec Life)

*chuckles* Oh I wasn't making specific plans... just a pipe dream for a long way down the road, is all. xP Although perhaps in the next couples years I'll try something more like Furcadia... no 3D graphics stuff to worry about then ^^; But even then just something small for furs I know. Maybe even an FH-exclusive program. x3
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Roo Fursworth on October 12, 2008, 05:27 PM
Furcadia slipped into 99% yiff before even i joined the fandom.

i do enjoy the yiff side of it and i'd be lying if i said otherwise.. but as with RL, not everything comes down to sex ya know o.o

you dont go visit your friends to fuck them do you?.. no, you go to hang out and have a good time! why does it have to be diffeent just because you're furry?
do trekkies meet up just to have sex? how about fans of.. i dunno.. tupperware? o.O no.. they meet because they have a comman intrest!
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on October 12, 2008, 07:22 PM
I'll explain the reasons in PM if you like, I've already talked about them elsewhere, but I'd like to gently remind you that this particular thread isn't the place to decry any specific element of furrydom. I consider this thread as one of my major contibutions to FurrieHaven.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: عبء الحزن on October 13, 2008, 03:23 AM
Hey Furcadia used to be good. Key phrase being "used to be." I met some of my best online friends there. ((though gone now.)) But you are right, it did turn pretty yiff oriented only. I was on it years ago with my friend. And I never once yiffed anyone or got yiffed. :3 I did leave though when it began to take a turn for the worse. And while I am not against people "yiffing" or whatever, I also want no part of it. :P Just because I extend my hand to shake yours does not mean I want to stick it down your pants too. :P I finally left after being berated/accosted for or about yiff or why I would not yiff. So I left. ^^ Simple as that. Still I imagine there are a lot of good people on there to meet if such a thing is your thing.

But I can say one reason why things should NOT be so sex-centric. STDs. I just have been told tonight by a friend that he was tested positive for HIV. And while I feel very sorry for him, in the end it's his own fault though. I warned him years ago that all his frivolous unprotected acts ((excuse is that condoms are not comfortable)) with every furry he met would end badly. Just never expected it would be a slow death sentence. :/

And all that BS about, "I only have sex with people I trust and am friends with so I know I will never get anything..." well it got him in trouble. Now he won't have a sex life at all. And he is only just now turning 23. What a waste of life. >.< Even worse... he has no real clue who he got HIV from. All he really knows is it was a furry, cause that is all he will have anything with. :/ And that is a bit frightening... means there is some furry out there going to furcons and having sex with people and he has HIV, passing it on to others. Either that or he knows and don't want to say.

And can you get HIV in as little as little as 5 months? Cause he had sex with people at AC this year back in June. :S Stuff like this really makes me feel... bad. >.<

And no I am not speaking bad of furries. :P Furries that do not control themselves and their hormones/urges/desire/whatever... I am, yes. :P

And no I am not being anti-furry. It just frightens me to think of who might do what, and give something awful to another cause of it. >.< And this same guy is one of the ones that told me "this is what furries do." Well... I can safely say I am glad I don't fit in with the majority then. :3

Sorry for my... whatever that is... I sorta started talking of Furcadia then got told that in IM, and went off on a... something... Think I am just a bit freaked out about it. Never have I known someone to actually have HIV. Heard about it before like most, but its a bit sobering when someone you know sends you an IM saying he caught it from someone. >.<

So sorry Grey for sorta barfing a big freakout into your topic. I think it's still a bit on topic though. Sorta. Yeah. ^^ So, please do not think I am being against furries.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on October 13, 2008, 03:46 AM
That's fine. This should maybe be it's own topic though. I agree that frivolous, irresponsible sex is stupid and dangerous, but I won't interchange that with "yiff" and I agree that furs who do that are missing the point.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: SXTC on May 20, 2009, 07:23 AM
What is furry? Having lotsa fur ofcourse  8)
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Paul Shep on May 23, 2009, 04:26 PM
To me, furry is a group of peeps sharing interests about anthro animal characters, and also care for each other, and just know how to have a good time!
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: SXTC on September 11, 2010, 07:13 AM
To me, furry is a group of peeps sharing interests about anthro animal characters, and also care for each other, and just know how to have a good time!

I couldn't agree more and to add, I think someone that is truly a furry is diffirent in personality.
I think that a furry is passionate about it because they know they are diffirent in how they perceive & experience things.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: ShayaLaperro on December 06, 2010, 10:37 AM
I've been acting like a dog since I was about four, love anthropomorphic animals, and have even been attracted to a few (Not my main point of course). But I never really put a name to it. Some people know from a very young age they're furry, whether they know what its called, if there are others like them out there or not... I always thought it was weird to feel a connection to dogs, until I discovered the fandom. Now I have a place that I fit in... to me, the furry fandom is somewhere we can all get together and feel safe and accepted.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: spirayeayecat on March 18, 2013, 09:02 PM
Honestly? I see it as just another fandom. It's really not much different than a group of people coming together because they share interest in a certain book, show, movie, etc. But for us, it's anthropomorphic animal characters in general.

Of course, there is some difference, such as how our fandom is more focused on the way we see ourselves, hence making fursonas. And I know that to many, it's more of an "identity" than "interest". But it's similar to other fandoms in that we have formed a community based on our interests.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Lloxie on March 18, 2013, 11:29 PM
Ehh, I gotta disagree with part of your post, Spira. I'm a furry but that's not my identity. I don't see myself as an anthropomorphic animal. Don't get me wrong, I think that'd potentially be awesome, but I'm not a therian or whatever. o.O That's just a small portion of the fandom.

The rest I agree with though. :3
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: spirayeayecat on March 19, 2013, 09:44 PM
I don't actually think I'm a blue hybrid thing, but it's fun to have a character to use to represent myself.
The way I see it, imagining what you'd be like as an animal character is comparable to, say, imagining what it would be like if you lived in the world of your favorite book, TV show, or movie. I know it's all just pretend, but that's what fandom in general is.  But basically, what I meant is that the furry fandom tends to be more focused on characters representing the creator then other fandoms. (Not saying most furries think they are their fursona, just that a lot of furry characters are representations of the people who created them).
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Lloxie on March 19, 2013, 10:42 PM
Eh, maybe... doesn't really seem any different from any other fandom to me though. xp Anime fans like to make anime-ish character versions of themselves too, bronies like to make ponysonas etc.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: greybrother on April 27, 2013, 03:00 AM
I've taken to referring to furry fandom as a metafandom. Like other fandoms but larger, dealing in a more diverse range of subjects.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Kata'lina on April 27, 2013, 03:05 AM
I think the furry fandom is one of the very few fandoms that has so many....aspects to it. As many view furry as different things to different people. To the point that there are sub cultures and such.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Lloxie on April 27, 2013, 03:06 AM
Huh, interesting way of putting it o-o
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: Kata'lina on April 27, 2013, 03:14 AM
It's just the observation I've made so far. I don't think I'm wrong, but then at the same token, I really do not know that many fandoms. Not because I don't think there is any others, I'm just not really into many things.

Maybe anime is like that as well? Again, I dunno.  Though, when it comes to anime, I've heard people say they are a Cos-Player....and that's about it. I don't think it holds the same thing as say what it means when one says they are a furry. But, I don't know.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: TaruCatThing on April 15, 2014, 12:59 AM
My definition of "What is furry?"

No, its not just an adjective.

Instead, I go by a simple concept - The Furry fandom is just a diverse community that functions on the idea of celebrating  the Anthropomorphism of animals. In many ways such as costuming, illustration, music, poetry, artwork, stories, video games, fashion, etc, (with a side of conventions, charity events, or just wearing ears and a tail).

If anyone is like "wtf is anthropamorphsimms" - then just simply, celebrating the idea of animals with human-like traits.

Simple and clean.
Title: Re: What is Furry?
Post by: TaruCatThing on April 15, 2014, 01:15 AM
However - if anyone is like...idk...

Excuse me for a moment

*clears throat* ahem

*yells* I HURD YOU GUISE LIKE THEM NASTY THINGS, LIKE ON CSI, YOU DO SEXINGS IN WERID THINGS AND DAT PORN, OH GAWD. YADDAYDAAYDAAYDAYYAYAYDYAYYAYAYA DRAMAMADRAAMMAMDRAAMMAMMAMMAMALOLOLOLBAWWWWWWWDONKEYNOISESANIMALBARNYARDNOISESHURRRRRRUHUHUHUHUUHUHUHUHOHLAWDY.

I just reply - "Well, sex sells when it comes to media press wanting to get views on their network. In reality - all conventions, events and meets do fundraising for charities such as animal shelters, hospitals, non-profit organizations, etc." - Keepin it simple, short and sweet. If said person continues to splurt out negative comments about the fandom - I try not to argue or try to get into a verbal fight with the person. There's really no point to argue with someone that's closed minded or at least being a dick about the whole "sex is what the fandom is" deal. If someone is willing to discuss a little bit more about the positives about the fandom and actually understand (or at least try to) then go ahead and talk about the cool things about the fandom (the art, the diversity of the people involved - all around the good things about the fandom).

That's my 2 cents about the whole thing. I could go on and on about this stuff - but I don't want to sound like a broken record when most of the hardcore, detailed, deep stuff has been posted here ^^ credit and kudos to you guys that went all about it!

Like I said - keepin it simple (or at least trying to).